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- From: Jonas Elfstrom <jonas@plea.se>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.games,alt.sys.amiga.demos,comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
- Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:32:43 +0000
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- Fabio Bizzetti wrote:
-
- <snip>
-
- > >About "no hardware banging", that surely is, because Power Amigas might no
- > >longer be AGA compatible (i do not know). But if they are not longer AGA
- > >compatible, that of course would be a problem for HW banging... grin... and
- > >AGA compatibility would make a system EXPANSIVE (why do A1200 and A4000T cost
- > > so much ? I assume without AGA they could be made much cheaper... look at
- > >VGA hardware on PC...)
- >
- > This way the PowerAmiga would become a PC,with just a different (and lame) cpu.
- > This would mean that the PowerAmiga will not be interesting for games
- > developers, that will prefer to not risk their money and just code for PC
- > instead. Here we're talking about people that have to mantain theirself and
- > some also a family, or die of hunger. I got 1549 UKP for more than 1 year of
- > fulltime work for VK.
-
- Sorry to hear that. Could it be a cause of bad promotion?
-
- > Jag Σr tjugoett σr gammal,
-
- How comes that you are speaking swedish?
-
- >
- > Because of AT, there'll be no games market for the PowerAmiga, exactly as for
- > the Mac, but with the difference that PAmiga will not have the small eredity
- > that instead PMac got from Mac. This is about games. ( = no games anymore ).
- > So we can say the PowerAmiga will be an utilities-only computer instead.
- > But this is not true also: A BeBox will be probably cheaper, with the same
- > versatility and much more power (and multiprocessing capability).
- > So, the PowerAmiga borns dead IMO, unless it keeps not only the name of the
- > Amiga, but also its phylosophy.
- > Escom wanna just sell PC's also to the most "fanatic" Amiga owners, they found
- > how to do it: making a PC, with a IBM CPU (PowerPC, laaaaame) and a fake AmyOS.
- > But it's *not* an Amiga, it's a PC with more IBM components and phylosophy
- > than the one you can find in a Pentium.
-
- I don't think that the PowerAmiga will be just another PC! Ok, we will most probably
- lose the copper but I can live with that, if they keep the vertical blanking interupt
- and the 15kHz. According to Dave Haynie most off-the-shelf graphic-chips can do both
- VB and 15kHz.
-
- <snip>
-
- > >(Assuming a major rework of all game relative parts of the Amiga OS... and
- > >optimization for PowerPC...)
- >
- > I dont believe in optimizations made by people that have to make an entire OS..
- > It's not realistic. Just watch "WritePixel" function, it makes lotsa MULs
- > and if I recall also a DIV (!!!!) when it would have been easy to make a
- > look up table in a structure of the screen/window to plot quickly the pixel in
- > the rastport.
- > But, ofcourse, they said "the 680x0 is too slow", not "we aren't skilled".
-
- Ok, WritePixel isn't fast, then patch it!
-
- > >> The truth is that they have no capacity to make new innovative custom
- > >> chips, and this means *the death of the Amiga* to me, expecially about
- > >> games.
- >
- > >According to what i heard, the new custom chips will be made by a company
- > >outside AT...
- >
- > I heard from CeBit that they will use only standard PC chips.
-
- And they can do alot more than they do in todays PCs. Thay also said "chips" not
- "boards" and that's a big difference.
-
- <snip>
-
- > Trio S3 is what I call a "standard chip" (read above definition). Ofcourse it's
- > an impressively fast chip, that can allow high resolution in static screens,
- > like for a GUI. It has a "blitter" to copy windows, sometimes to scale GUI
- > images, not for games. And so on..
-
- From what I've heard the TrioS3 can generate a VB and if you put in some sort
- of 3D chip you have a full blown chip-set from my point of view.
- I also heard that it has some sort of planar graphics, if one would want that.
-
- > >> I am sick of C/C++ programmers, with the title of "engineer", that invade
- > >> fields that they dont understand at all. They see that the utilities are
- > >> better made using the OS (and I fully agree), and bother that also the
- > >> games have to be done this way. They dont neither *imagine* what's games
- > >> programming, besides.. Civilization or SimCity that are "utilities" more
- > >> than games.
- >
- > >:))) Well, i fear you think i am such a kind of person...
- >
- > No ;) You're surely open-mind, since you're a kind of bridge between the 2
- > worlds (RTG). :)
- >
- > >i am NOT :)
- >
- > Jag tror pσ dig :) dont worry pal, no need to prove it furtherly.
-
- "Jag tror pσ dig" = "I believe you".
-
- > > I am ASM/C programmer and think that C++ is waste of processing time :)
- >
- > Also C is IMHO. O:)
- > I write my utilities in HLA, a kind of VERY-CISC Assembly language. 8)
- > Although for games RISC programming fits my mind more. (AND BTW: PowerPC is
- > not a RISC; it's a crap IBM mass of useless circuits fitted in a chip). :)
-
- Nice speces for being that useless... :-)
- Real world tests has proven that the speed of WindowsNT on a 133Mhz PPC
- is running circles around a 133MHz Pentium system.
-
- > If enough people want to support me, I propose now, before it's too late, to
- > mass-email Amiga Technologies to make them understand how short-sighted they're
- > planning the PowerAmiga hardware, and to reconsider their policy about it all.
- > A comprimize would be to get PlayStation or, better, 3DO-M2 chipset in license,
- > accepting the deny to not produce low-end machines (leaving this right only to
- > 3DO) but only mid and high end computers, compatible with 3DO-M2 games but
- > with also AmigaOS to get the best from the two worlds, for multimedia and video
- > applications.
- > It's possible, and many 3DO's designers previously created the Amiga, so I
- > believe they wouldn't oppose to this joint-venture. Moreover, as far as I know
- > 3DO-M2 uses PowerPC too.
- > To have a totally new chipset not AGA compatible is fine, but standard crap is
- > short-sighting like IBM has been in the past.
-
- I know nothing about this 3DO chipset, is it expensive?
- Is it as fast as PSX?
- The new amigas should have some sort of 3D hardware!
-
- > Escom is only business.
-
- What company isn┤t?
-
- > Hejdσ.
-
- "Hejdσ" = "Bye"
-
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